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    Interesting post, Dave!


    This will be for some species on our side of the pond, most notably amberjack. the amberjack we catch in north carolina are not edible, their meat has worms in it. so while there have been some real monsters taken in the past few years, they are almost always released.


    Hi Bret
    I suspect most of the Jack species are going to feature in their list - they're certainly hardy enough as has often been proven in the past with tagged fish. And even when they're caught at depth it's relatively easy, especially with AJs, to safely decompress their swim bladders.


    Completely off topic, in large parts of Europe now, thanks to a 'kink' in the Jet Stream we've being subjected to the icey blasts from the Arctic, Scandinavia and Russia - North through to the East winds - and there's standing snow everywhere disrupting travel, especially flights. Fortunately I've only got a 40 mile journey on Christmas Day, with the intention of staying warm indoors until then.


    Enjoy the Festive Season!

    can anybody tell me how to take the correct length of a wild fighting and biting shark without the use of gaffs etc? Same applies for all other big spezies you can not get due to its weight safe and not injured by hands on board.


    Wolli


    Hi Wolli
    That's I suspect why they're restricting it to just 67 saltwater species. It's just impractical to measure some species and of course the very act of lifting species like large Sharks and Billfish from the water unsupported will risk rupturing their internal organs - they may swim away but are likely to soon die.


    In terms of your particular interests I suspect one of the more hardy species - the Giant Trevally - is likely to be included in their list, but we'll have to wait for 1st January.


    Although I'm sure it won't offer the degree of accuracy the IGFA will insist upon I remember that Roddy Hays used to control large Marlin alongside, with the boat moving slowly forward by using something called a 'snooter' on their bill, and then 'streaming out' a tape measure.


    The same way we measure tarpon - upside down in a sling with a lip gaff and a tail snare


    Even before this category we're discussing is introduced I similarly recall a fly angler off Key West bringing back a 300lb plus Shark in an enclosure, with water flowing through it, and weighing the fish on land – a pre-requisite with current weigh categories - in a sling before successfully releasing it. That, at the time, was accepted by the IGFA.

    The IGFA have recently pre-announced a new All-Tackle category for 60 freshwater and 67 saltwater species based solely on measured length to come into effect from 1st January 2011. Their Press Release follows:




    I'll add to this post - the nominated species and rule modifications - as and when they become available.

    Um ... Jan, certainly not to resort to modern parlance politically correct.


    John Cleese was one of those who developed the Monty Python’s Flying Circus series in the late 1960s and also, and you may have seen them, that range of irreverent comedy films that included the Life of Brian and Monty Python and the Holy Grail. You might have possibly seen the fight between King Arthur and the Black Knight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno and worse still, this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1loyjm4SOa0. They really do illustrate Cleese and the rest of the team’s humour.


    The Monty Python scenes were just as bizarre! There was the Ministry of Silly Walks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w&NR=1 - and then the Lumberjack song in English - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg&feature=related - and German - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiVOG199X2c&feature=related . Whoops!


    But in terms of mangling language the ‘Allo, ‘Allo series scripted in occupied France takes some beating.


    Again there're loads of clips on YouTube. Here're just a few to illustrate it:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hfHyDSTX50&feature=related


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBharndqLNA&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duX4tIFocvY&NR=1


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCmCM4IFG0Q&NR=1


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L47ULOksnAY&feature=related


    Finally, my apologies if I've offended anyone. That wasn't the intention. It was just to illustrate that strange, very British humour that was around back then.

    I don't know whether it is possible to access ITV1 - a UK terrestial TV channel - through European satellite services or the web-based ITVPlayer service but Jeremy Wade's River Monsters series - 6 episodes - is being broadcast starting this coming Tuesday evening, 2nd November.


    These links might be of use - http://www.itv.com/lifestyle/rivermonsters/default.html


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…apples-giant-piranha.html


    For anyone contemplating a trip to Africa though to tackle one be warned it's an extremely dangerous location, especially the war ravaged DRC. There're some salutory notes here - http://www.worldseafishing.com…s/showthread.php?t=293374 - including some from one of our members who's attempted the trip. Perhaps best enjoyed from your armchair?

    Christian
    Remember of course the European records:



    This is the web site of EFSA Germany - http://www.efsa-germany.de/

    Hallo,
    kann mir jemand den aktuellen Atlantik Bigeye Rekord fuer Damen 130lbs und 80 lbs Schnurklasse nennen?


    Gruss
    Christian



    Zitat

    W-37 kg (80 lb) 144.13 kg (317 lb 12 oz) Hudson Canyon, New Jersey , USA 7/23/1978 Ms. Charlene Sanford
    W-60 kg (130 lb) 167.83 kg (370 lb 0 oz) Ada-Foah, Ghana , West Africa 7/3/2004 Candace Meyer

    ....
    Daddy was ready to go to the lead and Guigui eagle eye ready to make his 1st tag on a Marlin (at 13 years old!). The fish was 1 meter near the boat, we could see him perfectly (estimated on 200kg) but when I was going to take the last 10 cm of line he turned the head and went out of the line . Such a disaster for me, and I was starting thinking that marlin fishing isn't for me. Had the support from the others in the boat and things went better.
    ....


    And you'd done all the hard work! Stick at it Sacha, fingers crossed with a little bit of extra luck they'll get that tag into your next Marlin.

    Just some further thoughts. Al Schaefer, who posts on this forum under the non de plume Marlinhunter2, may have some further information from the Guatemalan skippers he knows who occasionally fish tournaments in Nicaragua. There was reference to one here - Flor de Cana Tournament . And there's a possibility that my friend's skipper - his boat's berthed at Los Suenos in Costa Rica - may have some further information. They though have just left for a two week trip to the South, off the Coiba archipelago in Panama. I'll contact him when they return.

    Firstly, my apologies. My command of the German language is very limited, so my reply has to be in English.


    The German Foreign Office should have a section on travel to Nicaragua on its web site. Here’s the equivalent link for the British one - http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/trave…central-america/nicaragua . It does contain the usual warnings you would associate with third world countries but, in particular, I would draw your attention to this section that highlights the increase in violent crime, particularly by criminals armed with weapons.


    Is it overly cautious? Perhaps. But having visited Guatemala – a similar situation -five years after their civil war had ended I must admit I did find the presence of weapons and such official warnings unsettling.




    What little I can find suggests that the big game fishing is good and, I suspect, similar to that you would experience on the Pacific coast of Northern Costa Rica – Papagayo. There was a specific trip detailed on this thread - http://www.fishinginternational.com/location/nicaragua.htm - by an American travel operator and it appears that Marlin Magazine published an article in their October 2009 edition. Perhaps someone on the forum still has a copy? (There’s reference to it here - http://forums.marlinmag.com/sh…64701&highlight=nicaragua .) Or it may be worth posting an enquiry to some of the 'Stateside forums if no one else responds to your enquiry here.


    As to Tarpon fishing, as well as Lake Nicaragua itself, there is I understand an established population in the San Juan River. There is a Frenchman, resident in Nicaragua, who organises trips there. And there’s also a British gentleman who organises trips from Northern Costa Rica to fish that area. There’s reference to it on this thread from another forum - http://www.worldseafishing.com…s/showthread.php?t=276973 , post 4. (This is his web site - http://www.nicaraguafishingsafari.com/index.htm.)


    From a logistics viewpoint though you may find that flying into Liberia in Northern Costa Rica might be easier than flying into Nicaragua’s capital, Managua, coupled with the lengthy journey to the coast.

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    It’s regularly priced at $20 per annum, but the e-membership will be available for only $15 during this introductory offer period. You can join via its web site - http://www.igfa.org - under the JOIN menu.


    Does it have any drawbacks? I guess the only thing I'll miss is the hard copy of their Year Book but, that said, other than a limited number of articles much is repetition - rules, regulations, record lists, etc from previous year editions.

    Great report and pictures Jim!


    Um ... I'm starting to worry about Dave (Irving); the onset of old age? First Paul (Fisicaro) has him 'fluff chucking' at Tarpon, then he goes Marlin fishing in Mexico - albeit from a kayak - NOW bait fishing for Cuberas. Next thing .... I wonder if he'll be selling his Popper and Speed Jigging gear?

    first i have no idea how that last thread "Endless Season Update July 4th, 2010" got there with me as the writer on my name ???????? maybe uwe can find out ?


    berno


    Hi Berno
    That quote was posted by one of the Mexican contributors and, I suspect due to a database error, associated with this thread. If you look at that poster's original thread there's a title but no content. I'll pass the references on to Uwe he got back from Madeira yesterday evening.


    my old friend MANOLO from las palmas, the owner of the 46" bertram "HEDONIST", caught a 600 lbs blue on the 4th at la gomera.


    berno


    Thanks Berno. It shows what a small world the world of Big Game angling is, I think I met with Manolo some years ago at Tropic Star Lodge in Panama. If I've got it right he was a surgeon by profession and his friend, whose name escapes me, owned the marina at Pasito Blanco.

    Well just checked on - http://www.bluemarlinworldcup.com/RealTime_Results/index.php - the results page for the Blue Marlin World Cup. As of 19:00 hours, when all the European venue results should have been posted, Berno Neibuhr on the Happy Hooker from Mindelo, Cape Verde is leading the tournament with a 'grander', a fish of 1,097 lbs caught at 11:45 this morning. Who's the angler .... not unfortunately mentioned!


    I know boats from Bermuda and the East coast of the 'States are still competing and then there's Hawaii to consider so Berno and his angler are obviously on tenderhooks. But if they win it will add to Berno's earlier success in the tournament in 2006 with Jonathan Brand.

    For those interested there's an article by Jan Fogt, a Dutch photo-journalist, regarding 'granders' - 1000lb plus fish - on the Marlin Magazine's web site - http://www.marlinmag.com/artic…0083956&cmpid=enews062910. It describes the capture of two 'granders' - a Bluefin Tuna and Black Marlin - and several near misses on Blue Marlin from the Azores by a New York lawyer, Mel Immergut. His wife Babara also features with a potential - again lost - 1400 pounder off Brazil.


    Intriguingly, from my perspective, in that Mel's second Azorean fish is apparently estimated by the crew at 1200lbs. I say 'intriguingly' because I can vividly recall discussing the 'battle' with Don Merten, the skipper of Double Header, at the start of the following season. Whilst Don, certainly to me, describes its power - despite leadering it on several occasions an experienced crewman was unable to turn its head - its sheer size - 'round like a Bluefin' - and its apparent ability to still chase bait shoals whilst hooked he would not venture an estimate of its size. And I have to say in that period, the late '80s and early '90s, both Don and Ted Legg hooked or saw perhaps five fish that were not 'conventional' granders - fish neither despite prompting would ever estimate.


    So how BIG were they really? Well we're unfortunately never going to know. Why would neither skipper estimate their weights? Um ... all I can do is to leave you to draw your own conclusions. But remember, Don in particular, had seen a number of big grander Black Marlin on Australia's Great Barrier Reef.


    Let me also throw in this comment. Again not to pass judgement but to illustrate the sheer bulk of some of those Azorean Blues.


    In August 1988 I, and three other members of our Club, cajoled Ted Legg skippering a boat called Cecilia at the time to venture out to the Princess Alice Shoals, a renowned Tuna bank some 46 plus miles South of Horta the capital of Faial. Other than Chuck Tedder who'd fished out there in October 1986 and caught some big Yellowfin Tuna I cannot think of any other sportsfishermen who'd been out there. But it was slow on the usual marks and from earlier conversations with commercial Tuna skippers I knew they frequentley spotted Marlin out there. Any rate on that first day we had 10 bites from Blues, including one big fish that looked 'grander' size, releasing three. We also had two Bluefin Tuna up in the spread.


    Three weeks later though, September, Don Merten was out there with a charter with, from memory, his brother Denis and Ted on the deck. They had a big fish up on a set of 50 and, just prior to release, Don altered his call. He thought it might go 850lbs and as such was a potential European record. The fish caught by Lawerence Furman though weighed 1146lbs and is still the IGFA line class record.

    I recently read some definitive explanations in the Aussie magazine, Bluewater Boats and Sportfishing, penned by Jason Schratwieser, the IGFA's Conservation Director who also, I understand, administers World Record claims.


    So, his salient points:


    • The line breaks lower than the maufacturer's stated breaking strain. No, the catch will not be considered in any lower line class category just the category represented by the manufacturer's stated BS.


    • The line over-tests the manufacturer's stated BS. Then it will be considered in the (greater) line-class category representative of its tested BS.


    • Now the tricky one. If a fish fails to break the record for the line class within which it falls BUT the record for a greater line class is smaller you can't submit a claim within that higher category.


    But, and here I quote verbatim, there has been a recent amendment to IGFA record application requirements.


    Due to the increased prevalence of super-strength monofilament and multifilament lines, IGFA is now requiring that all non-fly rod record applications must include 50 feet of line still attached to the double line and leader if one is used. This includes All-Tackle and Junior record applications as well.

    ... on June 16th. SANOFI Group fished on our 35’ Cabo Express with Captain Jose “Mocho” Nunez at the helm and deckhand Ricardo working the cockpit. Today they released 2 Striped Marlin and were boat of the day because of the big Jack Crevalle they caught,
    estimated at 40 lbs. Fleet production for the day was 8 Striped Marlin, 1 Mako Shark and 1 BIG Jack Crevalle.
    ....


    Good to see the Marlin fishing's improving.


    But ..... WOW ..... that Jack Crevalle, it was potentially world record size. The current long standing, All Tackle record, from Costa Rica, is 39lbs - http://www.igfa.org/records/Fish-Records.aspx?Fish=Jack, Pacific crevalle&LC=ATR.


    Wow! Potentially world record sized fish! Perhaps a 40lb butt section's a tad too light for fish of that size?

    An interesting thread. Surprisingly, as yet, I can't find any Google references to it. Have any of you found anything?


    Any rate this reference is relevant and does illustrate some of the current thinking. I think though the source of this Press Release (?) - http://www.fishnewseu.com/late…bluefin-tuna-fishery.html is from the World Wildlife Fund (WWF).

    Alright it may be the usual politicians 'double talk' the implications in the release, and the posturing (?) at Doha back in March, are that the Japanese as the world's major consumers finally accept that something has to be done. There's also an interesting observation about the actions of the Italian government, with of course I suspect us as European taxpayers footing the bill, to scrap the majority of their purse seining fleet.


    It's not a long article and well worth reading in full, but here are two of the relevant sections.


    Zitat

    Over 150 members of CITES met in Doha, Qatar on March 9-25, where a majority rejected the proposal by the Principality of Monaco to list Atlantic bluefin tuna on Appendix I of the Convention. The species amply met the criteria, yet the listing was rejected on political grounds - largely due to a comprehensive lobbying effort led by Japan.
    However, at the CITES meeting, key ICCAT member countries - notably Japan, the EU, the U.S., Canada and Norway - committed to adopt radical measures to save the species when they next meet in Paris, France in November 2010.
    In a statement to the CITES plenary in Doha, ICCAT chair Dr Fabio Hazin told delegates: 'Setting management measures not in line with scientific advice is no longer an option,' while Japan also intervened at the end of the Doha meeting, committing to lead a global effort to ensure the recovery of Atlantic bluefin tuna. Given its importance as largest consumer of the species, WWF strongly expects Japan to play a central role in shifting fisheries management in the right direction.


    Zitat

    WWF welcomes the decision of Italy to impose a moratorium on its large purse seine fleet this year and its commitment to scrap most of the vessels - and urges other Mediterranean nations to also keep their fleets in port. However, WWF is dismayed at the extensive subsidies being disbursed to compensate Italian boat owners for not going fishing and help them finance vessel scrapping.

    .....
    Very important for us potential Florida Visitors from across the pond to understand,
    that the oil is not effecting your fisheries so far. I recon, even if the leak cannot be
    tapped before the relief well in August, all you'd have to fear are those tar balls...
    ....


    Hi Jan
    There's evidence that some of the pollution in the form of tar balls has reached the extreme North West of Florida's Gulf (of Mexico) beaches and is also affecting parts of Alabama, as well as Louisiana. There's a schematic on this BBC web page - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10243278.stm - showing the current extent of the pollution. But there's nothing (yet) to suggest that it's in the Gulf Loop Current that might bring it down to the 'Keys, Gulf side. Jim's operation however is based on the East, the Atlantic side, so shouldn't be affected.


    Roosterfish - Gallos - are incredibly strong members of the Jack family. What a tremendous achievement on the fly!

    Dave, relax, CH is not EU member...
    effects of the petition cannot reach Brussels.
    Relax
    8| 8o


    :sehrgut:


    I guess I was more concerned Jan that a 'YES' vote might have given what could be perceived as giving a figment of legitimacy to the 'madcap' animal rights activists, and of course to Antoine Goetschel, the lawyer, who seems to have developed a 'nice little earner' in Zurich 'representing' anything up to 200 animals (and now fish) a year. (And this is in a country which already has, nationally, some of the strictest rules governing the treatment of pets and farm animals.) With a 'YES' those animal rights activists could then potentially, supported by our so-called representatives within the European Parliment, have pushed for similar legislation within the EU. And remember 'Lisbon' introduced qualified majority voting into a number of legislative areas. Still no need to worry 70.5% of the Swiss who voted nationally REJECTED the proposal. I wonder what the voting proportions in the Zurich canton actually were this time round?


    Here's the latest Guardian article on the result - http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…d-animal-lawyers-rejected.


    Perhaps us Brits had it right at the beginning of the 19th Century during the Napoleonic Wars? http://www.thisishartlepool.co…y/thehartlepoolmonkey.asp Whoops! Sorry, a bit Tongue in Cheek that one, and a way to upset people who come from West Hartlepool in the North East.

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